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Post by aboutwell on Jul 23, 2014 9:28:48 GMT -5
Been saying it for a long time now... but you're about 11 hours late on this one... It only took you 1 hour to call him a liar why so slow this time? As for the 11 hours Im not an Obamabot here all the time to do the DNC's dirtywork
I didn't call anyone a name... I only said I had heard many such allegations but had seen none... which is still true...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 23, 2014 9:29:52 GMT -5
Some want too much information on a forum and it is best not to show too much. You may carefully note that I didn't ask for any more information than was provided... nor will I... it's other posters here who insist that claims made here be backed up... I am not one of those other posters...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 23, 2014 9:35:20 GMT -5
Some want too much information on a forum and it is best not to show too much. They do, and there are a couple on here just rabid enough to want to cause harm to "the other side".
I can think of 3, 2 left and 1 right.
A low percentage of rights and a very high percentage of lefts, And I don't wonder why it is that way for a second
Now that Hotdiggity... who says he loves violence... seems to be gone... personally, I can't think of any other poster here who would be foolish enough to wish another poster any harm...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 23, 2014 9:36:52 GMT -5
It is best to keep your friends and enemies close. I( believe the ole saying is to "keep your friends close... your enemies closer"...
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Post by vosa on Jul 23, 2014 16:08:54 GMT -5
The chief reason the middle class is shrinking isn't the Pubs, it's the Dems. The Pubs were *never* about the middle class; they were *always* about the rich. At one time, the Dems were about the middle class, correctly recognizing them as the backbone of society. Then, in pursuit of political power, they threw their support behind people whose votes they could buy with free stuff. Nah the Dems continue to be about the middle class, and unfortunately the Pubbies have forgotten about the middle and lower class. The ACA was about health insurance for the middle and lower class, minimum wage increases, tax reform targeted for the middle class. Are these Pubbie interests? No they are not. What free stuff is it you keep talking about? Who are those who are getting all this free stuff? Come on I know you can do this. Actually neither EY nor anyone can provide you a list of free stuff that government provides because there is no such thing as "free stuff". But here is a list of "stuff" that politicians provide to buy votes and the American people are forced to pay for. At the federal levels there is: Child Care/Child Support Counsel/Counseling Disability Assistance Disaster Relief Education/Training Employment/?Career Development Assistance Energy Assistance Environmental Sustainability/?Conservation Food/Nutrition Grants/Scholarships/?Fellowships HIV/AIDS Healthcare Housing Insurance Living Assistance Loan/Loan Repayment Medicaid/Medicare Military: Active Duty and Veterans Social Security/Retirement Tax Assistance And at the state level (Maryland) there is: Maryland Child and Adult Care Food Program Maryland Children's Health Program (SCHIP) Maryland Energy Assistance Program (MEAP) Maryland Food Supplement Program Maryland Head Start Maryland Medical Assistance Program Maryland School Breakfast and Lunch Program Maryland Special Milk Program Maryland Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) Maryland Summer Food Service Program Maryland Temporary Cash Assistance Maryland Unemployment Insurance Maryland Weatherization Assistance Program Worthy programs - Yes, all of them. Affordable programs - No so much.
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 23, 2014 19:56:50 GMT -5
It only took you 1 hour to call him a liar why so slow this time? As for the 11 hours Im not an Obamabot here all the time to do the DNC's dirtywork
I didn't cal anyone a name... I only said I had heard many such allegations but had seen none... which is still true... you did in a round about sneaky way, Besides you say you have never seen on, but I've never seen that proved either.
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 23, 2014 19:58:46 GMT -5
They do, and there are a couple on here just rabid enough to want to cause harm to "the other side".
I can think of 3, 2 left and 1 right.
A low percentage of rights and a very high percentage of lefts, And I don't wonder why it is that way for a second
Now that Hotdiggity... who says he loves violence... seems to be gone... personally, I can't think of any other poster here who would be foolish enough to wish another poster any harm... Sure you can but you wont admit it.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 23, 2014 20:25:10 GMT -5
I didn't cal anyone a name... I only said I had heard many such allegations but had seen none... which is still true... you did in a round about sneaky way, Besides you say you have never seen one, but I've never seen that proved either.
How's that?... I have asked a number of individuals face-to-face how Obamacare has effected them... NONE have said it has... (I don't know that I've ever met Alienrace face-to-face)... and as you might expect, I do get around... and I don't know that you've ever seen anyone I've seen... (to "prove" anything)... but I can't be sure... because I've seen a number of posters here face-to-face... I "think" I corrected your post above... and thanks for helping me see my own typo... I corrected it... I like to be right all the time...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 23, 2014 20:25:50 GMT -5
Now that Hotdiggity... who says he loves violence... seems to be gone... personally, I can't think of any other poster here who would be foolish enough to wish another poster any harm... Sure you can but you wont admit it. Nope... Diggity is the only one...
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Post by redleg on Jul 23, 2014 20:32:10 GMT -5
you did in a round about sneaky way, Besides you say you have never seen one, but I've never seen that proved either.
How's that?... I have asked a number of individuals face-to-face how Obamacare has effected them... NONE have said it has... (I don't know that I've ever met Alienrace face-to-face)... and as you might expect, I do get around... and I don't know that you've ever seen anyone I've seen... (to "prove" anything)... but I can't be sure... because I've seen a number of posters here face-to-face... I "think" I corrected your post above... and thanks for helping me see my own typo... I corrected it... I like to be right all the time... Yes, but your immediate family is not a large enough sample.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 23, 2014 20:43:29 GMT -5
How's that?... I have asked a number of individuals face-to-face how Obamacare has effected them... NONE have said it has... (I don't know that I've ever met Alienrace face-to-face)... and as you might expect, I do get around... and I don't know that you've ever seen anyone I've seen... (to "prove" anything)... but I can't be sure... because I've seen a number of posters here face-to-face... I "think" I corrected your post above... and thanks for helping me see my own typo... I corrected it... I like to be right all the time... Yes, but your immediate family is not a large enough sample. I haven't asked my immediate family... I already know about them... but I have talked with several hundred here in the state...
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 23, 2014 20:56:48 GMT -5
So you say and you will keep on saying it but that is Not proof and not very believable.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 23, 2014 22:51:38 GMT -5
So you say and you will keep on saying it but that is Not proof and not very believable. I'm not trying to prove anything... I'm just looking for someone who can prove something to me by giving me some real numbers as to how they've been effected by Obamacare... and I haven't found those people yet...
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Jul 23, 2014 23:46:48 GMT -5
"Survey:Fewer than 1in 5 better off because of Obamacare;many worse off" "Eighteen percent of Americans, or fewer than one in five, say they or someone in their family is better off because of the Affordable Care Act, according to a new poll by CNN. Nearly twice that number, 35 percent, say they or someone in their family is worse off. A larger group, 46 percent, say they are about the same after Obamacare as before." m.washingtonexaminer.com/survey-fewer-than-1-in-5-better-off-because-of-obamacare-many-more-worse-off/article/2551199If obamacare is doing this good with only the individual mandate in place just imagine how good we'll have it when the employer mandate kicks in......when is that again? Assuming the aca survives the many and sundried legal issues of course
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 24, 2014 9:52:54 GMT -5
"Survey:Fewer than 1in 5 better off because of Obamacare;many worse off" "Eighteen percent of Americans, or fewer than one in five, say they or someone in their family is better off because of the Affordable Care Act, according to a new poll by CNN. Nearly twice that number, 35 percent, say they or someone in their family is worse off. A larger group, 46 percent, say they are about the same after Obamacare as before." m.washingtonexaminer.com/survey-fewer-than-1-in-5-better-off-because-of-obamacare-many-more-worse-off/article/2551199If obamacare is doing this good with only the individual mandate in place just imagine how good we'll have it when the employer mandate kicks in......when is that again? Assuming the aca survives the many and sundried legal issues of course It seems to be just what these people "think"... not what they "know"... The ACA will indeed survive... just like SS did...
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Post by aponderer on Jul 24, 2014 10:00:44 GMT -5
So you say and you will keep on saying it but that is Not proof and not very believable. I'm not trying to prove anything... I'm just looking for someone who can prove something to me by giving me some real numbers as to how they've been effected by Obamacare... and I haven't found those people yet... Yes you have. A year or so ago when you asked that question, I posted that my health insurance had jumped up (a good bit more than the usual annual increase). I don't recall the details, but it was large enough that I took notice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 10:06:43 GMT -5
Mine has changed as well and I am not happy with the changes.
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Post by darave on Jul 24, 2014 10:10:32 GMT -5
I don't know of anyone that has Obama care amongst my friends and family.
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Post by aponderer on Jul 24, 2014 10:14:29 GMT -5
I don't know of anyone that has Obama care amongst my friends and family. If you have health insurance, you are affected by Obamacare. Whether that affection is good or bad is the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 10:21:26 GMT -5
Turtle injuries are now covered in Obamacare.
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Post by rentedmule on Jul 24, 2014 12:03:36 GMT -5
I don't know of anyone that has Obama care amongst my friends and family. I don't either. But I suppose it depends upon one's social enviroment and associations? My encounters are mostly with government workers, retired folk, employees of large corporates (who self insure) or small business folk who are exempt. But the discussion makes for good conversation, a memorable presidential legacy and very expensive politics! (Md. taxpayers have coughed up some $300M + in order to enroll some Medicaid folk?)
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Post by rentedmule on Jul 24, 2014 12:08:28 GMT -5
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 24, 2014 14:53:22 GMT -5
Some ACA subscribers have begun howling about their deductibles already. My opinion is that high deductibles are good; insurance is to help you survive (financially) a big problem, not help you get a shingles shot or some poison ivy cream.
If SCOTUS decides the subsidies are not legal, the howling will grow very loud indeed.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 24, 2014 14:55:21 GMT -5
I'm not trying to prove anything... I'm just looking for someone who can prove something to me by giving me some real numbers as to how they've been effected by Obamacare... and I haven't found those people yet... Yes you have. A year or so ago when you asked that question, I posted that my health insurance had jumped up (a good bit more than the usual annual increase). I don't recall the details, but it was large enough that I took notice. Like I said... I have "heard" it... but haven't "seen" it... I have seen you face-to-face but haven't seen you since Obamacare came along... and I won't ask for any details with regard to it here...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 24, 2014 14:58:01 GMT -5
Mine has changed as well and I am not happy with the changes. Nor will I ask you for details either... I'm looking for someone I can sit down with... and look at the numbers and plans... and discuss them... I can't find that person... and I have been looking... and I don't know that I've even seen you face-to-face...
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