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Post by aboutwell on Jul 24, 2014 14:59:35 GMT -5
I don't know of anyone that has Obama care amongst my friends and family. I really haven't found anyone who really knows what the hell Obamacare is... much less have it...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 24, 2014 15:05:27 GMT -5
I don't know of anyone that has Obama care amongst my friends and family. If you have health insurance, you are affected by Obamacare. Whether that affection is good or bad is the issue. Many of the folk I know are union folk and therefore have not been effected much if any, and won't be until their contracts are up... well see how it goes when the CWA contract is up here and how bargaining goes... and "I" may see some results.... even though I'm union and retired... come January 01, 2015... we'll just have to wait and see... like Pelosi said...
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Post by Ravenchamp on Jul 24, 2014 15:26:58 GMT -5
its NOT working, nor has anything obama has done
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Post by rentedmule on Jul 24, 2014 16:27:57 GMT -5
Does anyone know exactly how many people are really involved with "Obama Care"? I don't. I'm guessing at about 20%of all folk who have insurance. And that may be "class" based, since so many are exempt or privileged. Or just ignore the whole thing altogether!
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Post by stevez51 on Jul 24, 2014 16:46:44 GMT -5
Does anyone know exactly how many people are really involved with "Obama Care"? I don't. I'm guessing at about 20%of all folk who have insurance. And that may be "class" based, since so many are exempt or privileged. Or just ignore the whole thing altogether! Most people who signed up qualified for Medicaid. They didn't realize it at that time that they qualified for it before this whole thing started. Since 3/4 of the states didn't create their own exchanges most went with the federal site. Probably less than half the country are on employer based insurance policies. That part keeps getting delayed mainly for political reasons. Wait and see when it finally goes into effect. The subsidies going out were dismissed by one court but ok'd by another. There is also a story going around where agents posing as enrollees were able to sign up and get subsidies using fictitious names. They did this to see if the site was secure. Guess it ain't .....
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 24, 2014 17:53:45 GMT -5
Does anyone know exactly how many people are really involved with "Obama Care"? I don't. I'm guessing at about 20%of all folk who have insurance. And that may be "class" based, since so many are exempt or privileged. Or just ignore the whole thing altogether! Most people who signed up qualified for Medicaid. They didn't realize it at that time that they qualified for it before this whole thing started. Since 3/4 of the states didn't create their own exchanges most went with the federal site. Probably less than half the country are on employer based insurance policies. That part keeps getting delayed mainly for political reasons. Wait and see when it finally goes into effect. The subsidies going out were dismissed by one court but ok'd by another. There is also a story going around where agents posing as enrollees were able to sign up and get subsidies using fictitious names. They did this to see if the site was secure. Guess it ain't ..... Those agents should be charged with insurance fraud... and prosecuted... they're no better than Glenn Beck...
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 24, 2014 18:42:35 GMT -5
You want agents that were checking on the security of the system prosecuted ?
Yeah I guess a secure system that no one could cheat would be a bad thing in your eyes.
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 24, 2014 18:58:36 GMT -5
Been saying it for a long time now... but you're about 11 hours late on this one... I realize why you are such a clock watcher, Ive never seen a union member that wasn't. Leave something undone and maybe dangerous but Im "off the clock" now, so screw it. Yardbirds in Norfolk Navel Shipyard were famous for that attitude.
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Jul 24, 2014 19:52:56 GMT -5
"White House 'Quietly' Exempts 4.5 Million People In 5 "Territories" From Obamacare" "As WSJ reports, last week's geopolitical chaos and distraction was ideal for a news dump, and the White House didn't disappoint: On no legal basis, all 4.5 million residents of the five U.S. territories were quietly released from ObamaCare. It seems the costs of healthcare soared in these five territories due to uneconomic mandates - which woul dhave been a disaster PR-wise for the administration and so, under cover of catastrophe, WSJ reports all of a sudden last week HHS discovered new powers after "a careful review of this situation and the relevant statutory language," that enabled them to 'selectively exempt' American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, Northern Mariana Islands, and Virgin Islands from Obamacare." www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-20/white-house-quietly-exempts-45-million-people-5-territories-obamacareYep....working like a dream.
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Post by redleg on Jul 24, 2014 19:53:14 GMT -5
Most people who signed up qualified for Medicaid. They didn't realize it at that time that they qualified for it before this whole thing started. Since 3/4 of the states didn't create their own exchanges most went with the federal site. Probably less than half the country are on employer based insurance policies. That part keeps getting delayed mainly for political reasons. Wait and see when it finally goes into effect. The subsidies going out were dismissed by one court but ok'd by another. There is also a story going around where agents posing as enrollees were able to sign up and get subsidies using fictitious names. They did this to see if the site was secure. Guess it ain't ..... Those agents should be charged with insurance fraud... and prosecuted... they're no better than Glenn Beck... Really? They were from the HHS IG. They are part of The Puppet's regime. Still think anything will happen to them?
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 24, 2014 21:12:28 GMT -5
You want agents that were checking on the security of the system prosecuted ? Yeah I guess a secure system that no one could cheat would be a bad thing in your eyes. I don't like "sting" operations... seen too many innocent convenience store clerks hauled away to jail because they couldn't tell that an underage teenager was made up by law enforcement to look 25... given a fake picture ID by the LEO's... and told to go in and buy some beer... store clerk gets fired because she didn't know it was a sting... has a conviction on her record... looked legit to her... I don't like to see innocent people pay for trying to be honest... yeah... that is a bad thing in my eyes...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 24, 2014 21:17:18 GMT -5
Been saying it for a long time now... but you're about 11 hours late on this one... I realize why you are such a clock watcher, I've never seen a union member that wasn't. Leave something undone and maybe dangerous but I'm "off the clock" now, so screw it. Yardbirds in Norfolk Navel Shipyard were famous for that attitude.
You've seen one now... time stands still for me... might do you good to watch 'em a little closer... and you might not make such a fool of yourself...
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Post by magnaestback on Jul 24, 2014 21:36:49 GMT -5
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 24, 2014 22:19:13 GMT -5
You want agents that were checking on the security of the system prosecuted ? Yeah I guess a secure system that no one could cheat would be a bad thing in your eyes. I don't like "sting" operations... seen too many innocent convenience store clerks hauled away to jail because they couldn't tell that an underage teenager was made up by law enforcement to look 25... given a fake picture ID by the LEO's... and told to go in and buy some beer... store clerk gets fired because she didn't know it was a sting... has a conviction on her record... looked legit to her... I don't like to see innocent people pay for trying to be honest... yeah... that is a bad thing in my eyes... A hell of a difference between government people looking for flaws in a program not to screw people over and a sting like you mentioned. So you have not changed my idea that a secure system is a bad idea in your Democrat eyes.
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 24, 2014 22:21:15 GMT -5
I realize why you are such a clock watcher, I've never seen a union member that wasn't. Leave something undone and maybe dangerous but I'm "off the clock" now, so screw it. Yardbirds in Norfolk Navel Shipyard were famous for that attitude.
You've seen one now... time stands still for me... might do you good to watch 'em a little closer... and you might not make such a fool of yourself... You are making one of yourself, now that makes no sense and has very little to do with the thread or posts here.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 24, 2014 22:29:00 GMT -5
I don't like "sting" operations... seen too many innocent convenience store clerks hauled away to jail because they couldn't tell that an underage teenager was made up by law enforcement to look 25... given a fake picture ID by the LEO's... and told to go in and buy some beer... store clerk gets fired because she didn't know it was a sting... has a conviction on her record... looked legit to her... I don't like to see innocent people pay for trying to be honest... yeah... that is a bad thing in my eyes... A hell of a difference between government people looking for flaws in a program not to screw people over and a sting like you mentioned. So you have not changed my idea that a secure system is a bad idea in your Democrat eyes.
Basically the same thing... and I'm not trying to change your mind... some people just choose to remain ignorant all their lives... and can't be changed... These officials should have done a better job checking... without being tricked into something... they should have been challenged sooner than they were...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 24, 2014 22:34:10 GMT -5
You've seen one now... time stands still for me... might do you good to watch 'em a little closer... and you might not make such a fool of yourself... You are making one of yourself, now that makes no sense and has very little to do with the thread or posts here. If I knew what "that" means in your comments... I might have a response... but I don't... and won't...
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 24, 2014 22:43:25 GMT -5
I don't know of anyone that has Obama care amongst my friends and family. I really haven't found anyone who really knows what the hell Obamacare is... much less have it... More than once I've said the enrollment numbers are ridiculously inflated. It's good to see liberals are finally waking up to the reality that no one really wants anything to do with it.
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Post by rentedmule on Jul 25, 2014 6:24:26 GMT -5
Does anyone know exactly how many people are really involved with "Obama Care"? I don't. I'm guessing at about 20%of all folk who have insurance. And that may be "class" based, since so many are exempt or privileged. Or just ignore the whole thing altogether! Most people who signed up qualified for Medicaid. They didn't realize it at that time that they qualified for it before this whole thing started. Since 3/4 of the states didn't create their own exchanges most went with the federal site. Probably less than half the country are on employer based insurance policies. That part keeps getting delayed mainly for political reasons. Wait and see when it finally goes into effect. The subsidies going out were dismissed by one court but ok'd by another. There is also a story going around where agents posing as enrollees were able to sign up and get subsidies using fictitious names. They did this to see if the site was secure. Guess it ain't ..... Yeah, near as I can tell most "enrolled" folk were into Medicaid. An existing program and available for years! Even people at the lower levels of income prefer Not to become enrolled into a "welfare" type program. They wait until circumstances dictate that they do the dirty deed. The beauty of the ACA was that it tricked them into "enrolling" in an "insurance program". I believe aboutwell when he says he knows no one affected by Obamacare. I don't either. Yet, the myth and legacy is accepted by the media and popular press. So much effort and social turmoil and angst and MONEY ! I suppose the historians will sort it out some proper period several decades from now?
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Post by rentedmule on Jul 25, 2014 6:38:18 GMT -5
I've never understood why folk feel obligated to compel "others" to participate in an industry or activity for some political satisfaction derived by the handlers. www.american.com/archive/2014/july/how-risky-is-it-to-be-uninsuredWe all make decisions in our lives. Do we all have to conform to the goals of leadership? Especially, since they (government) is the master of self insurance!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 7:26:15 GMT -5
Some ACA subscribers have begun howling about their deductibles already. My opinion is that high deductibles are good; insurance is to help you survive (financially) a big problem, not help you get a shingles shot or some poison ivy cream. If SCOTUS decides the subsidies are not legal, the howling will grow very loud indeed. While I agree that people should pay for routine doctor visits out-of-pocket, it would seem that those who most need ObamaCare TM would be least likely to find higher deductibles affordable.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 25, 2014 7:29:39 GMT -5
I am probably going to regret asking this question, but does any one have a reliable, defensible number of those people who went from no form of insurance (Medicaid, employer, etc) to having insurance under the ACA?
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Post by aponderer on Jul 25, 2014 7:40:29 GMT -5
You want agents that were checking on the security of the system prosecuted ? Yeah I guess a secure system that no one could cheat would be a bad thing in your eyes. I don't like "sting" operations... seen too many innocent convenience store clerks hauled away to jail because they couldn't tell that an underage teenager was made up by law enforcement to look 25... given a fake picture ID by the LEO's... and told to go in and buy some beer... store clerk gets fired because she didn't know it was a sting... has a conviction on her record... looked legit to her... I don't like to see innocent people pay for trying to be honest... yeah... that is a bad thing in my eyes... Sort of like being prosecuted for "just following orders?" BTW I don't like sting operations either. It can be like putting a $100 bill on the sidewalk, then when someone picks it up, charging the dude with theft.
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Post by aponderer on Jul 25, 2014 7:45:23 GMT -5
I don't know of anyone that has Obama care amongst my friends and family. I really haven't found anyone who really knows what the hell Obamacare is... much less have it... Ignorance is bliss... In general (except for the long list of executive order changes to the law), doesn't Obamacare determine what should be covered in everybody's health insurance, no matter whether that insurance is obtained privately (or through ones employer) or through an exchange?
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Post by rentedmule on Jul 25, 2014 7:58:42 GMT -5
I am probably going to regret asking this question, but does any one have a reliable, defensible number of those people who went from no form of insurance (Medicaid, employer, etc) to having insurance under the ACA? Not sure! where would you go for the data? Government? The insurers might be the one place to look but it may be too early - "enrollments" do not always translate into customers! And when the IRS season roles around and those enrollees find out that the government "generosity" termed a subsidy is in reality a loan against ones honor system income statement? Who knows? The tribalists claim it's a game changer and a genuine legacy. They could be correct. But not right now.....
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