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Post by Ranger John on Jul 25, 2014 15:35:32 GMT -5
More than once I've said the enrollment numbers are ridiculously inflated. It's good to see liberals are finally waking up to the reality that no one really wants anything to do with it. Most folks already had healthcare insurance... like me... and didn't need any changes... (unless it was better coverage at less cost)... which is why so many said they didn't like it... they didn't NEED it... the legislation was, and is, primarily aimed at those who do not have insurance coverage at all... and which would keep us taxpayers from having to pay their unpaid bills when they go to the emergency rooms and don't pay their hospital bills and the hospital has to write it off... as a loss... AND to be sure insurance carriers weren't providing their customers with a substandard bill of goods... Those who didn't have insurance originally... for whatever the reason... including the fact that they couldn't afford or even get it... sure want something to do with it... You're right. Most folks don't have any use for Obamacare. The handful that do, mostly didn't need it either because they qualified for Medicaid or had enough income to buy their own. Making the whole thing mostly pointless... and wasteful.
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Post by redleg on Jul 25, 2014 16:14:12 GMT -5
Most folks already had healthcare insurance... like me... and didn't need any changes... (unless it was better coverage at less cost)... which is why so many said they didn't like it... they didn't NEED it... the legislation was, and is, primarily aimed at those who do not have insurance coverage at all... and which would keep us taxpayers from having to pay their unpaid bills when they go to the emergency rooms and don't pay their hospital bills and the hospital has to write it off... as a loss... AND to be sure insurance carriers weren't providing their customers with a substandard bill of goods... Those who didn't have insurance originally... for whatever the reason... including the fact that they couldn't afford or even get it... sure want something to do with it... You're right. Most folks don't have any use for Obamacare. The handful that do, mostly didn't need it either because they qualified for Medicaid or had enough income to buy their own. Making the whole thing mostly pointless... and wasteful. That depends on what "the point" really was. It certainly wasn't to get more people health insurance, since it's a dismal failure at that. It wasn't to lower health care costs, since it's done just the opposite. The true "point" of Puppettax was to force as many as possible onto the Federal teat, so they could control them more effectively. That's why they want all medical records computerized, so all that information can be sent whereever they want, if you don't toe their line. And so they can simply deny health care, if you create too many problems for them.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 25, 2014 16:42:31 GMT -5
It goes by state. Each state has it's own 'poverty level'. Therefore, 133% is different for different states. And where is it $90G?...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 25, 2014 16:45:06 GMT -5
Do you have a link, or any form of proof? Would you accept the opinion of the American people as proof? "Opinions" don't usually "prove" anything... and just "who" is the American people?...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 25, 2014 16:46:36 GMT -5
Most folks already had healthcare insurance... like me... and didn't need any changes... (unless it was better coverage at less cost)... which is why so many said they didn't like it... they didn't NEED it... the legislation was, and is, primarily aimed at those who do not have insurance coverage at all... and which would keep us taxpayers from having to pay their unpaid bills when they go to the emergency rooms and don't pay their hospital bills and the hospital has to write it off... as a loss... AND to be sure insurance carriers weren't providing their customers with a substandard bill of goods... Those who didn't have insurance originally... for whatever the reason... including the fact that they couldn't afford or even get it... sure want something to do with it... You're right. Most folks don't have any use for Obamacare. The handful that do, mostly didn't need it either because they qualified for Medicaid or had enough income to buy their own. Making the whole thing mostly pointless... and wasteful. Then what's the big deal?...
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Post by rentedmule on Jul 25, 2014 16:57:39 GMT -5
You're right. Most folks don't have any use for Obamacare. The handful that do, mostly didn't need it either because they qualified for Medicaid or had enough income to buy their own. Making the whole thing mostly pointless... and wasteful. Then what's the big deal?... Anyone who's been in the US (or even reads the foreign press) over the last 4+ years is convinced that it must be a Big Deal! How did you miss it?
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 25, 2014 17:00:38 GMT -5
You're right. Most folks don't have any use for Obamacare. The handful that do, mostly didn't need it either because they qualified for Medicaid or had enough income to buy their own. Making the whole thing mostly pointless... and wasteful. That depends on what "the point" really was. It certainly wasn't to get more people health insurance, since it's a dismal failure at that. It wasn't to lower health care costs, since it's done just the opposite. The true "point" of Puppettax was to force as many as possible onto the Federal teat, so they could control them more effectively. That's why they want all medical records computerized, so all that information can be sent whereever they want, if you don't toe their line. And so they can simply deny health care, if you create too many problems for them. Be sure to stay hunkered down in that bunker, Redleg... they know where you are.......
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 25, 2014 17:09:40 GMT -5
You're right. Most folks don't have any use for Obamacare. The handful that do, mostly didn't need it either because they qualified for Medicaid or had enough income to buy their own. Making the whole thing mostly pointless... and wasteful. Then what's the big deal?... The price tag. That's a lot of money for no purpose.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 25, 2014 17:25:24 GMT -5
Then what's the big deal?... The price tag. That's a lot of money for no purpose. I'm still looking for who pays... and to whom...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 25, 2014 17:28:46 GMT -5
Then what's the big deal?... Anyone who's been in the US (or even reads the foreign press) over the last 4+ years is convinced that it must be a Big Deal! How did you miss it? You'd think so... but based on RJ's comments... nobody wants it and it's useless... and very few seem to be effected by it...
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Post by redleg on Jul 25, 2014 17:31:28 GMT -5
That depends on what "the point" really was. It certainly wasn't to get more people health insurance, since it's a dismal failure at that. It wasn't to lower health care costs, since it's done just the opposite. The true "point" of Puppettax was to force as many as possible onto the Federal teat, so they could control them more effectively. That's why they want all medical records computerized, so all that information can be sent whereever they want, if you don't toe their line. And so they can simply deny health care, if you create too many problems for them. Be sure to stay hunkered down in that bunker, Redleg... they know where you are....... Well, given your propensity for subservience, you don't really care. Those of us that value liberty, on the other hand, do.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 25, 2014 17:38:42 GMT -5
Be sure to stay hunkered down in that bunker, Redleg... they know where you are....... Well, given your propensity for subservience, you don't really care. Those of us that value liberty, on the other hand, do. I haven't had a problem so far... and I likely value liberty just as much as you do... and enjoy a lot of it... and have enjoyed a lot of it...
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Post by rentedmule on Jul 28, 2014 16:22:46 GMT -5
It goes by state. Each state has it's own 'poverty level'. Therefore, 133% is different for different states. And where is it $90G?... It's between 100% and 400% of poverty level. $90G+ is possible. www.cnbc.com/id/101872265But if it is in the HealthCare.gov states it may be mute if the Supremes chime in! But the statement seems reasonable to me.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 28, 2014 17:07:42 GMT -5
Can't get your link to work... but the only figures I've seen are 133%...
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Post by rentedmule on Jul 28, 2014 17:58:10 GMT -5
Can't get your link to work... but the only figures I've seen are 133%... Sorry! Had to go to the source, cnbc, and it seems OK now.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 28, 2014 21:31:58 GMT -5
Can't get your link to work... but the only figures I've seen are 133%... Sorry! Had to go to the source, cnbc, and it seems OK now. I believe what we were discussing was being eligible for Medicaid... your link talks about being eligible for subsidies under the Affordable Healthcare Act...
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Post by redleg on Jul 28, 2014 21:37:53 GMT -5
Sorry! Had to go to the source, cnbc, and it seems OK now. I believe what we were discussing was being eligible for Medicaid... your link talks about being eligible for subsidies under the Affordable Healthcare Act... Given that about 80% of those that tried to sign up for Puppettax were shunted into Medicare, what's the difference?
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 28, 2014 21:41:27 GMT -5
I believe what we were discussing was being eligible for Medicaid... your link talks about being eligible for subsidies under the Affordable Healthcare Act... Given that about 80% of those that tried to sign up for Puppettax were shunted into Medicare, what's the difference? The threshold to qualify for Medicaid and for a subsidy on a healthcare plan is not the same... you and I were discussing the Medicaid threshold...
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Post by redleg on Jul 28, 2014 21:47:15 GMT -5
I believe what we were discussing was being eligible for Medicaid... your link talks about being eligible for subsidies under the Affordable Healthcare Act... Given that about 80% of those that tried to sign up for Puppettax were shunted into Medicare, what's the difference? So show me, in the exact paragraph of Puppettax, what the threshold for Medicare now is.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 28, 2014 21:49:31 GMT -5
Given that about 80% of those that tried to sign up for Puppettax were shunted into Medicare, what's the difference? So show me, in the exact paragraph of Puppettax, what the threshold for Medicare now is. I already did...
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Post by redleg on Jul 28, 2014 21:50:31 GMT -5
So show me, in the exact paragraph of Puppettax, what the threshold for Medicare now is. I already did... No, you gave me your rendition.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 29, 2014 12:00:20 GMT -5
No, you gave me your rendition. And now you want me to give you yours... no thanks, Redleg...
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Post by Moses on Jul 29, 2014 12:04:16 GMT -5
No, you gave me your rendition. And now you want me to give you yours... no thanks, Redleg... Puppets serfs There!
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 29, 2014 15:49:51 GMT -5
Medicare and Medicaid are not the same program, redleg. Medicaid is for low income people, Medicare is for retired people. It is Medicaid that low income Obamacare subscribers go into (133% of Fed poverty level or lower, I believe).
As you work, you "prepay" your Medicare premiums. Medicaid is an entitlement.
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Post by vosa on Jul 29, 2014 16:05:53 GMT -5
Would you accept the opinion of the American people as proof? "Opinions" don't usually "prove" anything... and just "who" is the American people?... Here are some opinions on Obamacare: From the general public.From doctors.Do opinions polls matter? Well, we’re always told that the only polls that matter are those that occur in November. But Americans did not get to vote on Obamacare and those who did didn’t know what they were voting for. And if you believe that perception is reality then the public’s perception that Obamacare is a failure – as reflected in the many polls on the subject – means Obamacare is a failure.
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