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Post by Evil Yoda on Sept 14, 2014 11:53:48 GMT -5
Then you should have said something like this: "Leaving them in the politically unpleasant position where the public thinks they support wife beating."How many times have you guys accused ME of the very thing you are saying here... supporting something I don't support... just because I support some aspect of it... Like I said... it would really be helpful if some of you guys really understood unions... that "public" you speak of is like you... they "think" something about unions that is not true... Many years ago a boss taught me the fundamental rule of marketing: "perception is reality". This rule, which I have seen hold true so many times I accept it as axiomatic, means that "the public thinks" is indistinguishable from "" in this context. Perhaps the unions could use some lessons in marketing.
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Post by vosa on Sept 14, 2014 12:23:59 GMT -5
Then you should have said something like this: "Leaving them in the politically unpleasant position where the public thinks they support wife beating."How many times have you guys accused ME of the very thing you are saying here... supporting something I don't support... just because I support some aspect of it... Like I said... it would really be helpful if some of you guys really understood unions... that "public" you speak of is like you... they "think" something about unions that is not true... Many years ago a boss taught me the fundamental rule of marketing: "perception is reality". This rule, which I have seen hold true so many times I accept it as axiomatic, means that "the public thinks" is indistinguishable from "" in this context. Perhaps the unions could use some lessons in marketing. Unions don't need no stinking marketing lessons. They have other ways of getting what they want.
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 14, 2014 12:55:35 GMT -5
Then you should have said something like this: "Leaving them in the politically unpleasant position where the public thinks they support wife beating."How many times have you guys accused ME of the very thing you are saying here... supporting something I don't support... just because I support some aspect of it... Like I said... it would really be helpful if some of you guys really understood unions... that "public" you speak of is like you... they "think" something about unions that is not true... Many years ago a boss taught me the fundamental rule of marketing: "perception is reality". This rule, which I have seen hold true so many times I accept it as axiomatic, means that "the public thinks" is indistinguishable from "" in this context. Perhaps the unions could use some lessons in marketing. What's right is right... public opinion is not always right... we do the right thing... not necessarily what the public wants or expects us to do...
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 14, 2014 12:58:43 GMT -5
Many years ago a boss taught me the fundamental rule of marketing: "perception is reality". This rule, which I have seen hold true so many times I accept it as axiomatic, means that "the public thinks" is indistinguishable from "" in this context. Perhaps the unions could use some lessons in marketing. Unions don't need no stinking marketing lessons. They have other ways of getting what they want.It's not what we want... it's what is right... Public perception is what it is... sometimes blind... kinda like some of you folks here...
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Post by Ravenchamp on Sept 15, 2014 5:22:01 GMT -5
WJZ TV reports this morning that Ray Rice is building an appeal case for his NFL suspension.
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 15, 2014 7:30:29 GMT -5
WJZ TV reports this morning that Ray Rice is building an appeal case for his NFL suspension. And I think he will prevail... the Ravens have a better case for their action... but even that could be appealed... Michael Vice was booed and welcomed by Philly fans... damage to the team's reputation and $$$ is the bottom line...
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Post by rentedmule on Sept 15, 2014 8:03:40 GMT -5
WJZ TV reports this morning that Ray Rice is building an appeal case for his NFL suspension. And I think he will prevail... the Ravens have a better case for their action... but even that could be appealed... Michael Vice was booed and welcomed by Philly fans... damage to the team's reputation and $$$ is the bottom line... Could you force M&T Bank to restore Ray Rice to his former lucrative "spokesperson" position?
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 15, 2014 8:05:09 GMT -5
And I think he will prevail... the Ravens have a better case for their action... but even that could be appealed... Michael Vice was booed and welcomed by Philly fans... damage to the team's reputation and $$$ is the bottom line... Could you force M&T Bank to restore Ray Rice to his former lucrative "spokesperson" position? No...
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Post by Ravenchamp on Sept 15, 2014 15:07:52 GMT -5
Now way, rice is finished in Baltimore, in any capacity.
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Post by vosa on Sept 15, 2014 16:53:47 GMT -5
Many years ago a boss taught me the fundamental rule of marketing: "perception is reality". This rule, which I have seen hold true so many times I accept it as axiomatic, means that "the public thinks" is indistinguishable from "" in this context. Perhaps the unions could use some lessons in marketing. What's right is right... public opinion is not always right... we do the right thing... not necessarily what the public wants or expects us to do... Right according to who?
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 15, 2014 21:14:06 GMT -5
What's right is right... public opinion is not always right... we do the right thing... not necessarily what the public wants or expects us to do... Right according to who? Depends on many things...
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Post by vosa on Sept 16, 2014 12:04:46 GMT -5
Depends on many things... Such as?
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Post by Evil Yoda on Sept 16, 2014 12:59:48 GMT -5
What's right is right... public opinion is not always right... we do the right thing... not necessarily what the public wants or expects us to do... Right according to who? Arguing that a lawbreaker should not be severely punished is "right" in the sense that it's what the union rules apparently require. It is not right in any moral sense. Hence my assertion that unions are inflexible.
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 16, 2014 14:17:55 GMT -5
Depends on many things... Such as? Too many to mention... and I'm not going to even start... you wouldn't like it anyway... a TOTAL wasted of my time...
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 16, 2014 14:19:51 GMT -5
Arguing that a lawbreaker should not be severely punished is "right" in the sense that it's what the union rules apparently require. It is not right in any moral sense. Hence my assertion that unions are inflexible. The law says it's okay to smoke and drink... were it up to me... BOTH would be illegal... And folks around here think THEY have high standards...
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Post by Evil Yoda on Sept 16, 2014 14:25:14 GMT -5
The law says it's okay to smoke and drink... were it up to me... BOTH would be illegal... And folks around here think THEY have high standards... Is that high standards, or just wanting to order other folks to live the way you do. I don't care if people smoke, that's the risk they take, as long as they don't impose that risk on me by smoking in my house. I don't care if they drink as long as they can handle it. None of my business. I'll bet you were a fan of Mayor Bloomberg the Soda Nazi, too, weren't you?
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Post by Cowboyz on Sept 16, 2014 14:29:04 GMT -5
Arguing that a lawbreaker should not be severely punished is "right" in the sense that it's what the union rules apparently require. It is not right in any moral sense. Hence my assertion that unions are inflexible. The law says it's okay to smoke and drink... were it up to me... BOTH would be illegal... And folks around here think THEY have high standards...
Drinking illegal... you're just trying to be a party pooper!
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Post by cyclegeek on Sept 16, 2014 15:18:05 GMT -5
The law says it's okay to smoke and drink... were it up to me... BOTH would be illegal... And folks around here think THEY have high standards... Is that high standards, or just wanting to order other folks to live the way you do. I don't care if people smoke, that's the risk they take, as long as they don't impose that risk on me by smoking in my house. I don't care if they drink as long as they can handle it. None of my business. I'll bet you were a fan of Mayor Bloomberg the Soda Nazi, too, weren't you? I pretty sure I know your answer, but what about when it comes to providing them treatment for lung cancer or rehab because they can't afford it?
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Post by vosa on Sept 16, 2014 15:31:07 GMT -5
Too many to mention... and I'm not going to even start... you wouldn't like it anyway... a TOTAL wasted of my time... In other words you know you've painted yourself into a corner and your using one of your usual dodges to weasel out of answering the question.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Sept 16, 2014 15:53:49 GMT -5
Is that high standards, or just wanting to order other folks to live the way you do. I don't care if people smoke, that's the risk they take, as long as they don't impose that risk on me by smoking in my house. I don't care if they drink as long as they can handle it. None of my business. I'll bet you were a fan of Mayor Bloomberg the Soda Nazi, too, weren't you? I pretty sure I know your answer, but what about when it comes to providing them treatment for lung cancer or rehab because they can't afford it? I have no problem with additional premiums for insurance for smokers (which they already pay and which Obamacare allows). Those with diagnosed alcohol problems can pay those too. Then their insurance can pay for whatever is medically reasonable. If they choose not to buy insurance, then they better hope someone's feeling charitable, because I believe neither government nor others have a responsibility to look after them then.
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 16, 2014 16:50:15 GMT -5
The law says it's okay to smoke and drink... were it up to me... BOTH would be illegal... And folks around here think THEY have high standards... Is that high standards, or just wanting to order other folks to live the way you do. I don't care if people smoke, that's the risk they take, as long as they don't impose that risk on me by smoking in my house. I don't care if they drink as long as they can handle it. None of my business. I'll bet you were a fan of Mayor Bloomberg the Soda Nazi, too, weren't you? It is a standard... and obviously higher than yours... which is okay... I'd make both illegal if I could... (of course I can't... and never will)... both have killed thousands and thousands of people and wreaked havoc on far too many homes...
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 16, 2014 16:53:48 GMT -5
The law says it's okay to smoke and drink... were it up to me... BOTH would be illegal... And folks around here think THEY have high standards...
Drinking illegal... you're just trying to be a party pooper!
I've drank Coke at many parties around the Country... even inside the Beltway... and I think I had as good a time as everybody else... I sure felt a hell of a lot better the next day... Don't want to be a party pooper...
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 16, 2014 16:55:43 GMT -5
Too many to mention... and I'm not going to even start... you wouldn't like it anyway... a TOTAL wasted of my time... In other words you know you've painted yourself into a corner and your using one of your usual dodges to weasel out of answering the question. No... there's just too many specific instances...
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Post by vosa on Sept 16, 2014 21:20:57 GMT -5
In other words you know you've painted yourself into a corner and your using one of your usual dodges to weasel out of answering the question. No... there's just too many specific instances... So we can add the inability to handle quantity to your inability to handle quality.
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 16, 2014 22:02:17 GMT -5
No... there's just too many specific instances... So we can add the inability to handle quantity to your inability to handle quality. I'm not gonna take time to count to a million for you either... but I could...
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