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Post by bullmikey on Jan 12, 2015 10:08:59 GMT -5
I voted for Christie. I’m not sure he’d make a good president, and I suspect he won’t beat the Clinton Machine anyway, but he’d sure make things entertaining while he lasted.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 12, 2015 12:51:58 GMT -5
If that's true he's assured of at least one vote. But Ted Cruz and Allen West have said the same thing... and I hope you aren't talking about God's vote... because he's not even registered...
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 12, 2015 16:53:28 GMT -5
Well, apparently Ryan is out. Yahoo NewsThis is possibly a good thing. Let Jeb and Mitt divide the RINO vote, and perhaps we can get a Scott Walker.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 12, 2015 19:54:31 GMT -5
People who "feel God is telling them to do things" might need help. They can't have my vote. At least Carson knows some colleagues in that business. Christie appears to be coated in Teflon. Despite his enemies' best attempts nothing sticks.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 23, 2015 20:30:53 GMT -5
I don't read or quote conspiracy theory websites... nor have I claimed to believe or disbelieve anything Johnathan Gruber has to say... The Democracy Initiative is not a conspiracy website... The Democracy Initiative, launched in 2013, seeks to restore the core principle of political equality. Labor, civil rights, voting rights, environmental, good government and other like-minded organizations with broad memberships commit to build a movement to halt the corrupting influence of corporate money in politics, prevent the systemic manipulation and suppression of voters, and address other obstacles to significant reform, including the abuse of U.S. Senate rules that allow a small minority to obstruct deliberation and block action on legislation drafted to address the critical challenges facing our nation.Check out this list to see just how the Senate rules block a majority of senators from taking up important measures and getting the people’s business done. Unanimous Consent: All 100 senators must agree that the business of the Senate will go forward. One senator can stop bills, nominations, appointments, even ordinary actions like naming a post office.Still desperately trying to convince yourself that the Senate doesn't know its own rules? BWAHAHAHAHA? Here, Ranger John, is a small example of "unanimous consent" stopping debate in the U.S. Senate: www.politicususa.com/2015/01/23/mitch-mcconnell-cuts-keystone-xl-debate-republicans-meet-koch-brothers.htmlListen closely... and learn...
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 23, 2015 21:48:59 GMT -5
No, ad. You listen carefully. You hear McConnell talking about "regular order"? That's how things are supposed to go. When someone asks for "unanimous consent" they are asking for consent to short-circuit the regular order in order to speed up legislation that has broad support. It's not used to stop legislation. It's used to speed it up. But then you'd know that if you had read and watched your own damn link.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 23, 2015 22:08:09 GMT -5
No, ad. You listen carefully. You hear McConnell talking about "regular order"? That's how things are supposed to go. When someone asks for "unanimous consent" they are asking for consent to short-circuit the regular order in order to speed up legislation that has broad support. It's not used to stop legislation. It's used to speed it up. But then you'd know that if you had read and watched your own damn link. And I don't suppose you heard EVERY TIME "unanimous consent" was requested that the question was asked if there was "opposition" and the answer EVERY TIME was YES... had there been none, the debate would have been stopped at that point... but because there was ONE opposing, the amendments were not offered for debate... and McConnell recessed the Senate until after they attend a meeting also attended by the Koch brothers this weekend... Listen again...
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 23, 2015 22:31:06 GMT -5
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 24, 2015 8:13:10 GMT -5
No, ad. You listen carefully. You hear McConnell talking about "regular order"? That's how things are supposed to go. When someone asks for "unanimous consent" they are asking for consent to short-circuit the regular order in order to speed up legislation that has broad support. It's not used to stop legislation. It's used to speed it up. But then you'd know that if you had read and watched your own damn link. And I don't suppose you heard EVERY TIME "unanimous consent" was requested that the question was asked if there was "opposition" and the answer EVERY TIME was YES... had there been none, the debate would have been stopped at that point... but because there was ONE opposing, the amendments were not offered for debate... and McConnell recessed the Senate until after they attend a meeting also attended by the Koch brothers this weekend... Listen again... Look, this really is very simple: The Senate schedule operates on what's referred to as "regular order." When a proposal has broad support, a senator may request 'unanimous consent to waive the rules' (ie:regular order) and push their proposal forward. If there's objection, the proposal has to follow the 'regular order' to move forward. The proof that you're being utterly ridiculous here is that Senator McConnell didn't ask for unanimous consent -and didn't need to - to push his legislation forward. You want to know why? He was working under "regular order." Once again, unanimous consent is a tool used to short circuit regular order to speed a popular proposal. It is not a means to block anything.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 24, 2015 12:39:12 GMT -5
The Speaker doesn't ask for unanimous consent... but at least you're getting an idea of how it can be used to shut down debate like I said... maybe if you try hard enough, you'll eventually understand how I said it can be used... somehow I doubt it... because you don't want to... after all, "I" said it... Like I said before, my union if fighting against the ability for one Senator to be able to shut down the Senate by the use of "unambitious consent"...
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 24, 2015 13:24:35 GMT -5
The Speaker doesn't ask for unanimous consent... but at least you're getting an idea of how it can be used to shut down debate like I said... maybe if you try hard enough, you'll eventually understand how I said it can be used... somehow I doubt it... because you don't want to... after all, "I" said it... Like I said before, my union if fighting against the ability for one Senator to be able to shut down the Senate by the use of "unambitious consent"... Look, I can't help it if you insist on knowing so many things that simply aren't so (and because if that, I understand why you hate Reagan), but the entire purpose of "Regular Order" is to prevent the Senate from getting bogged down debating laws that don't have a prayer of getting passed. If it weren't for "Regular Order" individual Senators actually could prevent the Senate from working by proposing endless stupid amendments. I'm sure unions, because they are mostly corrupt organizations, hate that they can't get their pet legislation passed. I'm also quite sure that they've told their members that unanimous consent works in a way almost exactly the opposite of real life because they know their members are gullible and stupid... And they are, or they wouldn't have agreed to let the unions take a portion of their paycheck.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 24, 2015 13:46:10 GMT -5
Ignorance speaks... knowledge is having been there... you are in the first category...
Gotta go... birthday party at 1PM...
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 24, 2015 16:08:26 GMT -5
Ignorance speaks... knowledge is having been there... you are in the first category... Gotta go... birthday party at 1PM... So you think ignorance speaks? That must be the reason you've got twice as many posts here as I do. And we all know you haven't been there. You wouldn't be embarrassing yourself this way if you had been. Or if you have, you apparently weren't paying attention.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 24, 2015 19:39:32 GMT -5
Ignorance speaks... knowledge is having been there... you are in the first category... Gotta go... birthday party at 1PM... So you think ignorance speaks? That must be the reason you've got twice as many posts here as I do. And we all know you haven't been there. You wouldn't be embarrassing yourself this way if you had been. Or if you have, you apparently weren't paying attention. You remind me of that old man who I once had to explain to him how to use a telephone... he had never even seen a telephone, much less used one... almost hopeless... but he was worth it... And believe it or not, I have been going there since the early 70's... when you were still in diapers...
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 24, 2015 19:47:32 GMT -5
So you think ignorance speaks? That must be the reason you've got twice as many posts here as I do. And we all know you haven't been there. You wouldn't be embarrassing yourself this way if you had been. Or if you have, you apparently weren't paying attention. You remind me of that old man who I once had to explain to him how to use a telephone... he had never even seen a telephone, much less used one... almost hopeless... but he was worth it... And believe it or not, I have been going there since the early 70's... when you were still in diapers... Sure, aboutwell. You know all about this. In spite of the link you posted, and the Senate's own explanation. Sadly though, I can't explain something to you that you will NOT acknowledge, or accept that when you learned this information, you learned it wrong. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. It's extra-hard when you have to un-teach him something he's been doing wrong since I was in diapers.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 24, 2015 19:54:33 GMT -5
Like I said... he was worth it... when we get that rule changed, I'll let you know... right now it is in effect...
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Post by rentedmule on Jan 25, 2015 7:14:21 GMT -5
Carly Fiorina may be worth a peek.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 25, 2015 12:26:26 GMT -5
Not a bad individual to consider, RM... I know Fiorina... she was an executive with my former employer...
Oops... I probably shouldn't have said that...
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Post by rentedmule on Jan 25, 2015 12:33:20 GMT -5
Of course you know her.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 25, 2015 16:13:15 GMT -5
Like I said...
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