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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 1, 2013 15:25:59 GMT -5
Panetta: US may have to use military force against Iran NEW YORK -- Addressing the Anti-Defamation League's 100th annual meeting on Thursday night, former US secretary of defense and CIA director Leon Panetta told the ballroom of around 600 people that while the US has "implemented unprecedented sanctions and pressure on Iran, we may very well have to use military force to back up our policy." www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat/News/Panetta-US-may-have-to-use-military-force-against-Iran-330373 |
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Post by com6063 on Nov 1, 2013 15:33:30 GMT -5
No, we don't.
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Post by douger on Nov 1, 2013 16:05:15 GMT -5
Thankfully, Leon Panetta is finally retired.
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Post by rocketwolf on Nov 1, 2013 16:44:22 GMT -5
Leon Panetta can be the first boot that hits the ground then
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Post by Moses on Nov 1, 2013 16:49:36 GMT -5
We actually need to get the hell out the Middle East. Not get more involved.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 1, 2013 17:02:37 GMT -5
We actually need to get the hell out the Middle East. Not get more involved. Well if we could drill in the ANWAR it would help a lot with not needing mid east oil. |
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Post by Moses on Nov 1, 2013 17:27:46 GMT -5
We actually need to get the hell out the Middle East. Not get more involved. Well if we could drill in the ANWAR it would help a lot with not needing mid east oil. Haha yeah right |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 1, 2013 18:33:42 GMT -5
Fortunately Panetta is no longer in a position to actually make decisions. Someone wrap him in a blanket and give him a hot toddy with some haloperidol mixed in to quiet him down!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 18:46:00 GMT -5
What is with the war mongering from Democrats lately?
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Post by stevez51 on Nov 1, 2013 18:49:44 GMT -5
What is with the war mongering from Democrats lately? Distraction..... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 19:27:21 GMT -5
What is with the war mongering from Democrats lately? Penetta like the garbage he served Bubba and The Bastard Bobo.... never have, never will serve a day in harms way. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 19:28:09 GMT -5
What is with the war mongering from Democrats lately? Penetta like the garbage he served Bubba and The Bastard Bobo.... never have, never will serve a day in harms way. Right now with Bobo's abortion..... yup. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 20:56:10 GMT -5
We actually need to get the hell out the Middle East. Not get more involved. Well if we could drill in the ANWAR it would help a lot with not needing mid east oil. The U.S. doesn't import oil from Iran. And believe it or not, last year the United States was a next exporter of oil products for the first time in over six decades. |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 1, 2013 21:45:06 GMT -5
Well if we could drill in the ANWAR it would help a lot with not needing mid east oil. The U.S. doesn't import oil from Iran. And believe it or not, last year the United States was a next exporter of oil products for the first time in over six decades. You can never have too much oil.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 22:35:32 GMT -5
It's not just how much oil we have--- it' s the overall price. Even when we become-- if we become - self-sufficient, I suspect we'll have dealings in ME over the pricing of oil. Striking Iran militarily should be last resort-- only if they go online for weapons-grade fissionable material.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 22:59:51 GMT -5
Well if we could drill in the ANWAR it would help a lot with not needing mid east oil. The U.S. doesn't import oil from Iran. And believe it or not, last year the United States was a next exporter of oil products for the first time in over six decades. Heating oil and diesel is STILL $3.79.9 a gallon...... we can use ANWR, fracking and any other resources we have. 2 bucks a gallon gas just sounds right to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 23:09:00 GMT -5
It's not just how much oil we have--- it' s the overall price. Even when we become-- if we become - self-sufficient, I suspect we'll have dealings in ME over the pricing of oil. Striking Iran militarily should be last resort-- only if they go online for weapons-grade fissionable material. True. Iran has enough internal problems, not the least of which are the international sanctions that are hurting it badly. If anything, the regime has been sending some conciliatory signals and has spoken of the importance of flexibility in terms of negotiations with the West. Now these subtle hints of making nice may just be a smokescreen, but the regime also has to be wary of such factors as the Arab Spring, which, for all its problems, has made Iran sit up and take notice. The Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatullah Ali Khamenei, may be deeply anti-Western and anti-American, but he also has been in power for 24 years. It isn't likely that he relishes the idea of going the way of Mubarak. Instead of beating war drums, it certainly wouldn't hurt U.S. credibility to at least make a reasonable offer to Iran regarding its nuclear program. Ordinary Iranians--who have been hit hard by the economic sanctions--might just prefer a brighter economic future over nuclear stockpiles. |
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Post by alienrace on Nov 1, 2013 23:45:40 GMT -5
We actually need to get the hell out the Middle East. Not get more involved. Agreed 100% |
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Post by breakingbad on Nov 2, 2013 3:22:15 GMT -5
Panetta was much better than his successor.
If we are going to attack Iran, can we please, please wait until the next president? Is there anyone out there that has any confidence at all that Obama knows the first thing about going into such a lose-lose situation?
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Post by middleoftheroad on Nov 2, 2013 6:16:21 GMT -5
While it may make some of us feel better, there is no "getting out" of the ME, or anywhere else, anymore. The world has become too small for isolationism to remain in the toolkit. We don't need to disengage; what we need to do is engage in different ways. I understand the political value of not engaging with an international pariah without pre-conditions for instance, but in the case of Iran, and perhaps N. Korea, that paradigm is no longer working. Maybe it's time for something new? While not directly tied to the ME, I think we should be working to open relations with Cuba as a sign that we are willing to shake off old restraints.
The best engagement tools however, rise from a strong nation that can sustain differences in internal opinions while moving forward. We need to fix ourselves first.
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Post by vosa on Nov 2, 2013 11:22:44 GMT -5
Well if we could drill in the ANWAR it would help a lot with not needing mid east oil. Haha yeah right So you're saying there is no oil in ANWAR? How about Bakken? Any oil there? Take your time, I know those tap shoes are hard to get on sometimes. |
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 12:13:28 GMT -5
So you're saying there is no oil in ANWAR? How about Bakken? Any oil there? Take your time, I know those tap shoes are hard to get on sometimes. I'm sure there is oil there. Ever read about how Alaska divided up its lands a while back with the native settlement act? No? |
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 12:14:32 GMT -5
While it may make some of us feel better, there is no "getting out" of the ME, or anywhere else, anymore. The world has become too small for isolationism to remain in the toolkit. We don't need to disengage; what we need to do is engage in different ways. I understand the political value of not engaging with an international pariah without pre-conditions for instance, but in the case of Iran, and perhaps N. Korea, that paradigm is no longer working. Maybe it's time for something new? While not directly tied to the ME, I think we should be working to open relations with Cuba as a sign that we are willing to shake off old restraints. The best engagement tools however, rise from a strong nation that can sustain differences in internal opinions while moving forward. We need to fix ourselves first. No it's not that big yes we can get the heck out of the Middle East |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 15:15:18 GMT -5
It's not just how much oil we have--- it' s the overall price. Even when we become-- if we become - self-sufficient, I suspect we'll have dealings in ME over the pricing of oil. Striking Iran militarily should be last resort-- only if they go online for weapons-grade fissionable material. True. Iran has enough internal problems, not the least of which are the international sanctions that are hurting it badly. If anything, the regime has been sending some conciliatory signals and has spoken of the importance of flexibility in terms of negotiations with the West. Now these subtle hints of making nice may just be a smokescreen, but the regime also has to be wary of such factors as the Arab Spring, which, for all its problems, has made Iran sit up and take notice. The Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatullah Ali Khamenei, may be deeply anti-Western and anti-American, but he also has been in power for 24 years. It isn't likely that he relishes the idea of going the way of Mubarak. Instead of beating war drums, it certainly wouldn't hurt U.S. credibility to at least make a reasonable offer to Iran regarding its nuclear program. Ordinary Iranians--who have been hit hard by the economic sanctions--might just prefer a brighter economic future over nuclear stockpiles. The only real threat Iran poses is the creation of weapons-grade uranium that can be given to terrorists to smuggle in small nukes to US cities- easy to do on container ships. Or-- to smuggle into Sunni states and Israel, plunging entire region into chaos. Why should we care about the ME stability? Economics- oil and trade. But to what extent should we intervene- only if our soil, or the need to avert a third world war, makes it necessary. IMHO, of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 15:17:58 GMT -5
While it may make some of us feel better, there is no "getting out" of the ME, or anywhere else, anymore. The world has become too small for isolationism to remain in the toolkit. We don't need to disengage; what we need to do is engage in different ways. I understand the political value of not engaging with an international pariah without pre-conditions for instance, but in the case of Iran, and perhaps N. Korea, that paradigm is no longer working. Maybe it's time for something new? While not directly tied to the ME, I think we should be working to open relations with Cuba as a sign that we are willing to shake off old restraints. The best engagement tools however, rise from a strong nation that can sustain differences in internal opinions while moving forward. We need to fix ourselves first. No it's not that big yes we can get the heck out of the Middle East Militarily- but not economically. ME is a large part of world trade. Spices to Europe, oil and gas as well. Unless we decided to become complete isolationists, withdraw from world trade and such all together, we'll never be able to totally extricate ourselves from any major world region, including ME. There may be some merits to isolationism....but many negatives as well. |
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