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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 4, 2013 11:23:53 GMT -5
I'm thinking Iran will strike US interests in retaliation, that will make us involved.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 11:25:09 GMT -5
We actually need to get the hell out the Middle East. Not get more involved. Well if we could drill in the ANWAR it would help a lot with not needing mid east oil. Anwar vs ANWRI'll leave it up to you as to which you'd rather be drilling.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 4, 2013 11:38:04 GMT -5
Well if we could drill in the ANWAR it would help a lot with not needing mid east oil. Anwar vs ANWRI'll leave it up to you as to which you'd rather be drilling. It took you this long to come back with this? I would expect this from moses, not you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 11:55:07 GMT -5
Anwar vs ANWRI'll leave it up to you as to which you'd rather be drilling. It took you this long to come back with this? I would expect this from moses, not you. Now now... be nice. Best regards. The acronym nazi.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 4, 2013 12:00:10 GMT -5
linkWhat do you bet that Obama knows nothing about this as well.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 4, 2013 15:14:26 GMT -5
If Israel strikes which i fully support, then you can bet the US will be involved. That would be another Obama mistake. If Israel gets into a war with Iran, that's its right as a sovereign nation. But we must not involve ourselves; any consequences Israel faces as a result of such a war, it must also bear. Alone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 18:25:23 GMT -5
Anwar vs ANWRI'll leave it up to you as to which you'd rather be drilling. It took you this long to come back with this? I would expect this from moses, not you. I loved Anwar Sadat and grieved when the filthy raghead SOB took him out BUT I had absolutely ZERO interest in drilling him. Scouts honor!
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 4, 2013 18:40:50 GMT -5
Click the link, herc!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 19:05:34 GMT -5
If Israel strikes which i fully support, then you can bet the US will be involved. That would be another Obama mistake. If Israel gets into a war with Iran, that's its right as a sovereign nation. But we must not involve ourselves; any consequences Israel faces as a result of such a war, it must also bear. Alone. We're already involved. The US of A supplies Israel with most of our most sophisticated military equipment, including our air superiority fighters. And that fact doesn't bother me in the least.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 19:57:49 GMT -5
Click the link, herc! OK, her I'll drill.
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Post by Moses on Nov 4, 2013 21:26:22 GMT -5
That would be another Obama mistake. If Israel gets into a war with Iran, that's its right as a sovereign nation. But we must not involve ourselves; any consequences Israel faces as a result of such a war, it must also bear. Alone. We're already involved. The US of A supplies Israel with most of our most sophisticated military equipment, including our air superiority fighters. And that fact doesn't bother me in the least. In that case it's probably something very serious that people should take be aware of. Thanks for the heads up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 22:40:47 GMT -5
I'm thinking Iran will strike US interests in retaliation, that will make us involved. If they are that dumb, yep, we'll be involved. But I suspect they are not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 22:42:02 GMT -5
That would be another Obama mistake. If Israel gets into a war with Iran, that's its right as a sovereign nation. But we must not involve ourselves; any consequences Israel faces as a result of such a war, it must also bear. Alone. We're already involved. The US of A supplies Israel with most of our most sophisticated military equipment, including our air superiority fighters. And that fact doesn't bother me in the least. Unless we're willing to embrace total isolationism, we must be in ME. And while Israel is not perfect, it's the best ally we have, in pretty much the entire world.
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 1:23:07 GMT -5
We're already involved. The US of A supplies Israel with most of our most sophisticated military equipment, including our air superiority fighters. And that fact doesn't bother me in the least. Unless we're willing to embrace total isolationism, we must be in ME. And while Israel is not perfect, it's the best ally we have, in pretty much the entire world. Unless we're willing to embrace total isolationism, we must be in ME Huh? When did that become a rule? And I can think of a bunch of countries that would be way more helpful allies than Israel .
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Post by middleoftheroad on Nov 5, 2013 7:26:20 GMT -5
Unless we're willing to embrace total isolationism, we must be in ME. And while Israel is not perfect, it's the best ally we have, in pretty much the entire world. Unless we're willing to embrace total isolationism, we must be in ME Huh? When did that become a rule? And I can think of a bunch of countries that would be way more helpful allies than Israel . Part of the character of being a world power is that we need to be wherever our interests or those of our close allies are at risk. This is why we are in Europe, why we are in Australia and why we are in the ME. The ME is the home of two of the most critical waterways in the world, the Straits of Hormuz and the Suez Canal. And they idea of being where your interests are at risk has been a "rule" since the idea of nation-states was first conceived. And there are a few allies more helpful than Israel, but none of them are located in the ME.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 8:16:29 GMT -5
Unless we're willing to embrace total isolationism, we must be in ME Huh? When did that become a rule? And I can think of a bunch of countries that would be way more helpful allies than Israel . Part of the character of being a world power is that we need to be wherever our interests or those of our close allies are at risk. This is why we are in Europe, why we are in Australia and why we are in the ME. The ME is the home of two of the most critical waterways in the world, the Straits of Hormuz and the Suez Canal. And they idea of being where your interests are at risk has been a "rule" since the idea of nation-states was first conceived. And there are a few allies more helpful than Israel, but none of them are located in the ME Exactly- World power means being powerful in the world. Pretty straight forward stuff. I'd prefer us to lean less on military due to expense-- we were a world cultural and economic power before we were a world military power, and thrived.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 8:17:35 GMT -5
Unless we're willing to embrace total isolationism, we must be in ME. And while Israel is not perfect, it's the best ally we have, in pretty much the entire world. Unless we're willing to embrace total isolationism, we must be in ME Huh? When did that become a rule? And I can think of a bunch of countries that would be way more helpful allies than Israel . Crossroads of civilization since Western civilization began. Oil, oil, oil. Shipping and trade as well. Can't be a world power and not be involved in the world's most important and controversial region. It would be like a university claiming it's a national powerhouse for athletics, but not having a football or basketball program.
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 10:52:24 GMT -5
Unless we're willing to embrace total isolationism, we must be in ME Huh? When did that become a rule? And I can think of a bunch of countries that would be way more helpful allies than Israel . Part of the character of being a world power is that we need to be wherever our interests or those of our close allies are at risk. This is why we are in Europe, why we are in Australia and why we are in the ME. The ME is the home of two of the most critical waterways in the world, the Straits of Hormuz and the Suez Canal. And they idea of being where your interests are at risk has been a "rule" since the idea of nation-states was first conceived. And there are a few allies more helpful than Israel, but none of them are located in the ME. You've given no real good reasons why we are in the middle east. The only reason those waterways are critical is because we need them to ship that oil home. How in the bloody hell is Israel useful?
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 10:53:04 GMT -5
Unless we're willing to embrace total isolationism, we must be in ME Huh? When did that become a rule? And I can think of a bunch of countries that would be way more helpful allies than Israel . Crossroads of civilization since Western civilization began. Oil, oil, oil. Shipping and trade as well. Can't be a world power and not be involved in the world's most important and controversial region. It would be like a university claiming it's a national powerhouse for athletics, but not having a football or basketball program. Nope nothing here either.
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 10:54:09 GMT -5
Part of the character of being a world power is that we need to be wherever our interests or those of our close allies are at risk. This is why we are in Europe, why we are in Australia and why we are in the ME. The ME is the home of two of the most critical waterways in the world, the Straits of Hormuz and the Suez Canal. And they idea of being where your interests are at risk has been a "rule" since the idea of nation-states was first conceived. And there are a few allies more helpful than Israel, but none of them are located in the ME Exactly- World power means being powerful in the world. Pretty straight forward stuff. I'd prefer us to lean less on military due to expense-- we were a world cultural and economic power before we were a world military power, and thrived. Pretty straightforward stuff eh?
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 10:55:30 GMT -5
I can see now why you guys supported the war in Iraq. But why do you lie about it now? Nothing you do makes sense.
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Post by douger on Nov 5, 2013 11:22:28 GMT -5
Part of the character of being a world power is that we need to be wherever our interests or those of our close allies are at risk. This is why we are in Europe, why we are in Australia and why we are in the ME. The ME is the home of two of the most critical waterways in the world, the Straits of Hormuz and the Suez Canal. And they idea of being where your interests are at risk has been a "rule" since the idea of nation-states was first conceived. And there are a few allies more helpful than Israel, but none of them are located in the ME. You've given no real good reasons why we are in the middle east. The only reason those waterways are critical is because we need them to ship that oil home. How in the bloody hell is Israel useful? Perhaps we can simplify it for you. O-I-L. The global economy grinds to a halt without it. It's the basis for our lifestyle and our security.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Nov 5, 2013 11:22:38 GMT -5
I can see now why you guys supported the war in Iraq. But why do you lie about it now? Nothing you do makes sense. Like you, I have no idea what you are talking about. I did support the war in Afghanistan. I did not support the war in Iraq; we had no reason for going there and have posted to the effect several times on the old board. I have also posted that both of these wars were poorly strategized; there were no clear objectives, no clear metrics of success and no clear exit strategy. I have also posted that as a result of that poor political leadership effort, initiated by the Bush/Cheney team and carried forward by Obama/Biden, we have wasted too many lives and too many resources. I'm also not sure why you are accusing me of lying about something, other than that you are obviously confused about something.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Nov 5, 2013 11:25:49 GMT -5
Part of the character of being a world power is that we need to be wherever our interests or those of our close allies are at risk. This is why we are in Europe, why we are in Australia and why we are in the ME. The ME is the home of two of the most critical waterways in the world, the Straits of Hormuz and the Suez Canal. And they idea of being where your interests are at risk has been a "rule" since the idea of nation-states was first conceived. And there are a few allies more helpful than Israel, but none of them are located in the ME. You've given no real good reasons why we are in the middle east. The only reason those waterways are critical is because we need them to ship that oil home. How in the bloody hell is Israel useful? Do you have an attention disorder that you cannot focus on a topic? Trade is an excellent reason to be in the ME. Protection of the freedom of the seas is an excellent reason to be in the ME. Observing the operations of a potential enemy is an excellent reason to be in the ME. Providing military support for an ally is an excellent reason to be in the ME. Finally, creating an opportunity to meet with and talk to those who are on the fence about opposing us is an excellent reason to be in the ME. Need any more?
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Post by douger on Nov 5, 2013 11:26:23 GMT -5
I can see now why you guys supported the war in Iraq. But why do you lie about it now? Nothing you do makes sense. Like you, I have no idea what you are talking about. I did support the war in Afghanistan. I did not support the war in Iraq; we had no reason for going there and have posted to the effect several times on the old board. I have also posted that both of these wars were poorly strategized; there were no clear objectives, no clear metrics of success and no clear exit strategy. I have also posted that as a result of that poor political leadership effort, initiated by the Bush/Cheney team and carried forward by Obama/Biden, we have wasted too many lives and too many resources. I'm also not sure why you are accusing me of lying about something, other than that you are obviously confused about something. That's OK. I've been accused of voting for George Bush twice. Lol.
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