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Post by middleoftheroad on Nov 5, 2013 11:55:58 GMT -5
moses means well. It's difficult sometimes to recognize that there are bad people in the world who don't believe in being nice and that nation states have to be in a position to oppose them. That positioning does not come without cost, but I would rather pay the cost in the eastern Meditteranean than in the western Atlantic.
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Post by zenwalk on Nov 5, 2013 11:59:00 GMT -5
If we can decide that militant Sunni Islam is the problem then it stands to reason that Iran should be cultivated as an ally. If Israel and Iran won't choke it down (and there's no evidence they will) remaining in the area continues to be ludicrous and why nothing is ever accomplished aside from vast amounts of dollars being sucked into an oily bottomless pit.
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 11:59:34 GMT -5
moses means well. It's difficult sometimes to recognize that there are bad people in the world who don't believe in being nice and that nation states have to be in a position to oppose them. That positioning does not come without cost, but I would rather pay the cost in the eastern Meditteranean than in the western Atlantic. Good luck with all of that. You aren't doing it btw. You're not over there.
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 12:00:20 GMT -5
If we can decide that militant Sunni Islam is the problem then it stands to reason that Iran should be cultivated as an ally. If Israel and Iran won't choke it down (and there's no evidence they will) remaining in the area continues to be ludicrous and why nothing is ever accomplished aside from vast amounts of dollars being sucked into an oily bottomless pit. Why should America decide anything?
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Post by middleoftheroad on Nov 5, 2013 12:12:11 GMT -5
Retired US Navy, Sonny. I did my tours. As we used to say
"there you stand all spic and span where were you when the (fecal matter) hit the fan?I was in Israel and the Persian Gulf while you were still looking for the stairs out of your Mom's basement. You aren't there now. Stop talking about my mom. I live in ak she doesn't. I thought I recognized your writing..JED! Long time no talk to; I mean it when I write that I hope all is going well for you. No. I'm not there now, though I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I made the first one, but had retired by the time this one started and am beyond that age that I would be recalled.
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Post by zenwalk on Nov 5, 2013 12:47:47 GMT -5
The thorny crown of the Middle East rests atop our head because karma is a biotch. The door is always open to exit. All we need do is use it.
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 12:53:14 GMT -5
The thorny crown of the Middle East rests atop our head because karma is a biotch. The door is always open to exit. All we need do is use it. Yep. It's funny were still stuck in Iraq isn't it ? Not
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Post by zenwalk on Nov 5, 2013 13:49:15 GMT -5
The thorny crown of the Middle East rests atop our head because karma is a biotch. The door is always open to exit. All we need do is use it. Yep. It's funny were still stuck in Iraq isn't it ? Not All the blood and money expended ... One of the more under-covered stories out there is how Iraq is unraveling. blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/middle-east/iraq-worlds-forgotten-war
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 13:52:12 GMT -5
This is why George Bush is still number one as far as worst Pres. Evah! But Obama should of ended it too. But during the Iraq war buildup many critics were going on about quagmire! Again they were right. Everyone was right except George Bush the neocons and the stupid Democrats that supported them.
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Post by zenwalk on Nov 5, 2013 13:57:42 GMT -5
This is why George Bush is still number one as far as worst Pres. Evah! But Obama should of ended it too. But during the Iraq war buildup many critics were going on about quagmire! Again they were right. Everyone was right except George Bush the neocons and the stupid Democrats that supported them. You probably remember all the grief I got at the time for calling it the way it is. W was a dirty little antichrist whose conduct would echo long after he'd left office. You can't collapse the world's biggest power in a few years. It takes many years. Legal precedents snarl civil liberties for years. We can only pray that the Bush era bad law fest is untangled from the process before, like cancer, it kills us.
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 14:00:14 GMT -5
This is why George Bush is still number one as far as worst Pres. Evah! But Obama should of ended it too. But during the Iraq war buildup many critics were going on about quagmire! Again they were right. Everyone was right except George Bush the neocons and the stupid Democrats that supported them. You probably remember all the grief I got at the time for calling it the way it is. W was a dirty little antichrist whose conduct would echo long after he'd left office. You can't collapse the world's biggest power in a few years. It takes many years. Legal precedents snarl civil liberties for years. We can only pray that the Bush era bad law fest is untangled from the process before, like cancer, it kills us. Hippies, the Dixie chicks, me , you, lots of other people were totally right about this. We seem to be right about a lot of things. Let people just scream and yell at us for being that way.
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Post by zenwalk on Nov 5, 2013 14:11:42 GMT -5
You probably remember all the grief I got at the time for calling it the way it is. W was a dirty little antichrist whose conduct would echo long after he'd left office. You can't collapse the world's biggest power in a few years. It takes many years. Legal precedents snarl civil liberties for years. We can only pray that the Bush era bad law fest is untangled from the process before, like cancer, it kills us. Hippies, the Dixie chicks, me , you, lots of other people were totally right about this. We seem to be right about a lot of things. Let people just scream and yell at us for being that way. Being right is not much consolation when the party for austerity is also the party that uncorked the bottle of unbridled deficit spending, invented outsourcing then ground their heels on the back of the unemployed, destroyed the financial and housing markets, cry boo hoo at Obamacare then complain when it has start up problems. This is short bus politics. The good news is these lemurs overplayed their hand with the shut down and now look like the objects of ridicule they are.
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Nov 5, 2013 14:27:40 GMT -5
This is why George Bush is still number one as far as worst Pres. Evah! But Obama should of ended it too. But during the Iraq war buildup many critics were going on about quagmire! Again they were right. Everyone was right except George Bush the neocons and the stupid Democrats that supported them. You probably remember all the grief I got at the time for calling it the way it is. W was a dirty little antichrist whose conduct would echo long after he'd left office. You can't collapse the world's biggest power in a few years. It takes many years. Legal precedents snarl civil liberties for years. We can only pray that the Bush era bad law fest is untangled from the process before, like cancer, it kills us. His successor continued the failed policies, bad decisions, and dubious laws. The difference between bush and obama is miniscule.
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 14:28:07 GMT -5
It's funny you mention the over play their hand bit. I've been saying that for a while here on these new boards. If Obamacare works on my God watch out. The pubs are in big trouble
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 14:29:40 GMT -5
You probably remember all the grief I got at the time for calling it the way it is. W was a dirty little antichrist whose conduct would echo long after he'd left office. You can't collapse the world's biggest power in a few years. It takes many years. Legal precedents snarl civil liberties for years. We can only pray that the Bush era bad law fest is untangled from the process before, like cancer, it kills us. His successor continued the failed policies, bad decisions, and dubious laws. The difference between bush and obama is miniscule. I haven't seen Obama start any stupid wars, one of the worst things a president can do. But I also haven't seen Obama end the Iraq war either. That's why I didn't vote for him last time.
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Nov 5, 2013 14:49:02 GMT -5
His successor continued the failed policies, bad decisions, and dubious laws. The difference between bush and obama is miniscule. I haven't seen Obama start any stupid wars, one of the worst things a president can do. But I also haven't seen Obama end the Iraq war either. That's why I didn't vote for him last time. ...or the patriot act....or gitmo....or...
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 14:54:56 GMT -5
I haven't seen Obama start any stupid wars, one of the worst things a president can do. But I also haven't seen Obama end the Iraq war either. That's why I didn't vote for him last time. ...or the patriot act....or gitmo....or... Yep. We need to end lot of things before we start up new things. If you know what I mean. And again that's why I didn't vote for Obama. He is not representing me. Really no one does. Maybe Ron Paul, Bernie Saunders or Dennis what's his face.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Nov 5, 2013 15:16:45 GMT -5
It's funny you mention the over play their hand bit. I've been saying that for a while here on these new boards. If Obamacare works on my God watch out. The pubs are in big trouble moses, please define "works" for me. I don't mean to be silly, but can we say the program works if itprovides health care but breaks the economy? Does it "work" if we add costs to everyone's insurance policy? How about if we have to take a policy we don't want; is that "working"?
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 5, 2013 15:37:32 GMT -5
This is why George Bush is still number one as far as worst Pres. Evah! But Obama should of ended it too. But during the Iraq war buildup many critics were going on about quagmire! Again they were right. Everyone was right except George Bush the neocons and the stupid Democrats that supported them. A real moronic remark. Bush was one of the best leaders ever !! He was a patriot. This POS commie we have in office doesn't even deserve to be near the US Flag
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 15:39:29 GMT -5
SMDH.
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Post by douger on Nov 5, 2013 16:14:42 GMT -5
His successor continued the failed policies, bad decisions, and dubious laws. The difference between bush and obama is miniscule. I haven't seen Obama start any stupid wars, one of the worst things a president can do. But I also haven't seen Obama end the Iraq war either. That's why I didn't vote for him last time. There was our involvement in Libya, and he was within an ace of being in Syria. Neither country is an interest of America's.
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Post by zenwalk on Nov 5, 2013 16:37:36 GMT -5
moses means well. It's difficult sometimes to recognize that there are bad people in the world who don't believe in being nice and that nation states have to be in a position to oppose them. That positioning does not come without cost, but I would rather pay the cost in the eastern Meditteranean than in the western Atlantic. Are you afraid Al Q is going to attack us with its navy?
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Post by middleoftheroad on Nov 5, 2013 18:49:30 GMT -5
moses means well. It's difficult sometimes to recognize that there are bad people in the world who don't believe in being nice and that nation states have to be in a position to oppose them. That positioning does not come without cost, but I would rather pay the cost in the eastern Meditteranean than in the western Atlantic. Are you afraid Al Q is going to attack us with its navy? I'll be more specific for you, zen. I would rather keep AL Q forces actively engaged and on the defensive in the eastern Med (read that as Iraq, Afghanistan) to the degree we are able to do so, than try to defend against them after they have landed at Logan Airport.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 5, 2013 18:52:09 GMT -5
I'm thinking Iran will strike US interests in retaliation, that will make us involved. Yes, that would involve us. I doubt they're that stupid. They're ideologues, not morons.
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Post by Moses on Nov 5, 2013 19:51:12 GMT -5
I haven't seen Obama start any stupid wars, one of the worst things a president can do. But I also haven't seen Obama end the Iraq war either. That's why I didn't vote for him last time. There was our involvement in Libya, and he was within an ace of being in Syria. Neither country is an interest of America's. That's really great and all but like I said I haven't seen Obama start any wars like we have in Iraq. What else can I say?
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