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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 15:20:52 GMT -5
What is with the war mongering from Democrats lately? Distraction..... True. The other distraction is changing the name of the Redskins.
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 15:22:15 GMT -5
Did anyone here know that Hawaii produces electricity mainly by burning oil?and so does Alaska ? do you all think that is the best use of such materials? do you think we should still be sending our natural resources to foreign countries like logs, natural gas, and oil and minerals? Do you think foreign multinational companies that have a history of polluting should be allowed to mine and log on our national forests and other areas like that? The big pebble mine up here in Alaska that's being proposed is a Canadian owned company proposing it. And you really think it opening anwr is going to actually replace the middle east with this amazing oil production? That's crazy!
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 15:23:33 GMT -5
No it's not that big yes we can get the heck out of the Middle East Militarily- but not economically. ME is a large part of world trade. Spices to Europe, oil and gas as well. Unless we decided to become complete isolationists, withdraw from world trade and such all together, we'll never be able to totally extricate ourselves from any major world region, including ME. There may be some merits to isolationism....but many negatives as well. Well I think it would be okay for American businesses to go over there and create business but I think they should get absolutely no protections in any form from the American government no support no nothing it's capitalism they don't need the government
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 15:25:49 GMT -5
Militarily- but not economically. ME is a large part of world trade. Spices to Europe, oil and gas as well. Unless we decided to become complete isolationists, withdraw from world trade and such all together, we'll never be able to totally extricate ourselves from any major world region, including ME. There may be some merits to isolationism....but many negatives as well. Well I think it would be okay for American businesses to go over there and create business but I think they should get absolutely no protections in any form from the American government no support no nothing it's capitalism they don't need the government Never worked that way-- governments of the local nations impose their restrictions, and government of foreign nations negotiate on behalf of their businesses. This is were tariffs and trade balances and such come in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 15:26:30 GMT -5
Did anyone here know that Hawaii produces electricity mainly by burning oil?and so does Alaska ? do you all think that is the best use of such materials? do you think we should still be sending our natural resources to foreign countries like logs, natural gas, and oil and minerals? Do you think foreign multinational companies that have a history of polluting should be allowed to mine and log on our national forests and other areas like that? The big pebble mine up here in Alaska that's being proposed is a Canadian owned company proposing it. And you really think it opening anwr is going to actually replace the middle east with this amazing oil production? That's crazy! All sounds fine to me.
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 15:28:43 GMT -5
Did anyone here know that Hawaii produces electricity mainly by burning oil?and so does Alaska ? do you all think that is the best use of such materials? do you think we should still be sending our natural resources to foreign countries like logs, natural gas, and oil and minerals? Do you think foreign multinational companies that have a history of polluting should be allowed to mine and log on our national forests and other areas like that? The big pebble mine up here in Alaska that's being proposed is a Canadian owned company proposing it. And you really think it opening anwr is going to actually replace the middle east with this amazing oil production? That's crazy! All sounds fine to me. The republican view?
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 15:32:38 GMT -5
I really get the idea you guys don't put any intellectual thought into the whole effect of resource extraction,in our use of it, and how we use it, and the bind that it's gotten us in, and the need to get out of the rut. I guess that's why they call you conservatives. Someone's got to start thinking outside the box.br]The other thing is you guys start need to start winning some elections then you can drill all you want I have nothing else to add this arguments been going on forever it's silly
Drill baby drill.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 15:33:06 GMT -5
Dunno..I can say its my personal one. Oil is meant for burning, folks in Hawaii and Alaska find electricity handy, I'm sure, Canadians are good people despite their inferior bacon, commodities are meant to be sold and traded, and pollution is the byproduct of industry. Natural resources are the bedrock of all economies. Use 'em, or be broke.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 15:34:34 GMT -5
I really get the idea you guys don't put any intellectual thought into the whole effect of resource extraction,in our use of it, and how we use it, and the bind that it's gotten us in, and the need to get out of the rut. I guess that's why they call you conservatives. Someone's got to start thinking outside the box or not to leave the kids very good place. The other thing is you guys start need to start winning some elections then you can drill all you want I have nothing else to add this arguments been going on forever it's silly Drill baby drill. Yep, drill away. I like urban environments surrounded by a few state parks. Large swaths of nature are just a waste of potential income.
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 15:35:08 GMT -5
Dunno..I can say its my personal one. Oil is meant for burning, folks in Hawaii and Alaska find electricity handy, I'm sure, Canadians are good people despite their inferior bacon, commodities are meant to be sold and traded, and pollution is the byproduct of industry. Natural resources are the bedrock of all economies. Use 'em, or be broke. Oil is meant for burning, most folks find electricity handy. Lol By the way again the Republican view? Pretty much dead on
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 15:35:51 GMT -5
I really get the idea you guys don't put any intellectual thought into the whole effect of resource extraction,in our use of it, and how we use it, and the bind that it's gotten us in, and the need to get out of the rut. I guess that's why they call you conservatives. Someone's got to start thinking outside the box or not to leave the kids very good place. The other thing is you guys start need to start winning some elections then you can drill all you want I have nothing else to add this arguments been going on forever it's silly Drill baby drill. Yep, drill away. I like urban environments surrounded by a few state parks. Large swaths of nature are just a waste of potential income. Damn you urbanites just don't know nothing LOL
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Post by middleoftheroad on Nov 2, 2013 17:59:01 GMT -5
No it's not that big yes we can get the heck out of the Middle East Militarily- but not economically. ME is a large part of world trade. Spices to Europe, oil and gas as well. Unless we decided to become complete isolationists, withdraw from world trade and such all together, we'll never be able to totally extricate ourselves from any major world region, including ME. There may be some merits to isolationism....but many negatives as well. We can't get out of the ME even militarily, sameold, at least not while the oil to our allies flows through the Strait of Hormuz, or while so much of the world's shipping uses the Suez Canal, or while NATO sees the Mediteranean Sea as its southern buffer. These are real world conditions that affect how our international strategy and policies unfold. Moses, isolationism was once made possible by wide oceans that took days for ocean bound threats to cross, is now rendered moot because flights from every corner of the globe land somewhere in the US 7/24/365. Isolationism is based on the premise that the nation we do not bother will, in turn, not bother us. Such naivete is what ends up with airliners crashing into towers - or something worse in the future. Nations no longer bind themselves to the rules of war and instead, are willing, even supportive of lone wolves or small groups acting, unofficially, in their stead. No, retreating from the world because it is a dangerous place is to cede the ground to those who would do us harm. We must be more engaged than ever; we just need to recognize that we can no longer set all the terms and adjust our approaches to maximize the terms we can employ.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 18:03:54 GMT -5
It's an old ruse, nothing to see here, go on home folks. link
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:10:22 GMT -5
Dunno..I can say its my personal one. Oil is meant for burning, folks in Hawaii and Alaska find electricity handy, I'm sure, Canadians are good people despite their inferior bacon, commodities are meant to be sold and traded, and pollution is the byproduct of industry. Natural resources are the bedrock of all economies. Use 'em, or be broke. Oil is meant for burning, most folks find electricity handy. Lol By the way again the Republican view? Pretty much dead on Yep- when you unplug yourself from your local grid, let me know....well, if you're still able to...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:11:48 GMT -5
Yep, drill away. I like urban environments surrounded by a few state parks. Large swaths of nature are just a waste of potential income. Damn you urbanites just don't know nothing LOL We know how to fund and run bulldozers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:14:39 GMT -5
Militarily- but not economically. ME is a large part of world trade. Spices to Europe, oil and gas as well. Unless we decided to become complete isolationists, withdraw from world trade and such all together, we'll never be able to totally extricate ourselves from any major world region, including ME. There may be some merits to isolationism....but many negatives as well. We can't get out of the ME even militarily, sameold, at least not while the oil to our allies flows through the Strait of Hormuz, or while so much of the world's shipping uses the Suez Canal, or while NATO sees the Mediteranean Sea as its southern buffer. These are real world conditions that affect how our international strategy and policies unfold. Moses, isolationism was once made possible by wide oceans that took days for ocean bound threats to cross, is now rendered moot because flights from every corner of the globe land somewhere in the US 7/24/365. Isolationism is based on the premise that the nation we do not bother will, in turn, not bother us. Such naivete is what ends up with airliners crashing into towers - or something worse in the future. Nations no longer bind themselves to the rules of war and instead, are willing, even supportive of lone wolves or small groups acting, unofficially, in their stead. No, retreating from the world because it is a dangerous place is to cede the ground to those who would do us harm. We must be more engaged than ever; we just need to recognize that we can no longer set all the terms and adjust our approaches to maximize the terms we can employ. I agree. To withdraw from the ME would require us to become isolationists- there is no way to be engaged with world and avoid the longest existing crossroads of civilization. While I think we should relieve ourselves of world's police - at least free of charge- economically we still need to be involved- and we need to be able to hurt enemies, badly, from a distance if needed.
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 19:17:43 GMT -5
Oil is meant for burning, most folks find electricity handy. Lol By the way again the Republican view? Pretty much dead on Yep- when you unplug yourself from your local grid, let me know....well, if you're still able to... You first you tax payer hater. You still do it!!! And enjoy the benefits.
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 19:18:40 GMT -5
We can't get out of the ME even militarily, sameold, at least not while the oil to our allies flows through the Strait of Hormuz, or while so much of the world's shipping uses the Suez Canal, or while NATO sees the Mediteranean Sea as its southern buffer. These are real world conditions that affect how our international strategy and policies unfold. Moses, isolationism was once made possible by wide oceans that took days for ocean bound threats to cross, is now rendered moot because flights from every corner of the globe land somewhere in the US 7/24/365. Isolationism is based on the premise that the nation we do not bother will, in turn, not bother us. Such naivete is what ends up with airliners crashing into towers - or something worse in the future. Nations no longer bind themselves to the rules of war and instead, are willing, even supportive of lone wolves or small groups acting, unofficially, in their stead. No, retreating from the world because it is a dangerous place is to cede the ground to those who would do us harm. We must be more engaged than ever; we just need to recognize that we can no longer set all the terms and adjust our approaches to maximize the terms we can employ. I agree. To withdraw from the ME would require us to become isolationists- there is no way to be engaged with world and avoid the longest existing crossroads of civilization. While I think we should relieve ourselves of world's police - at least free of charge- economically we still need to be involved- and we need to be able to hurt enemies, badly, from a distance if needed. You say withdraw as if we should be there in the first place. why the heck are we there?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:32:20 GMT -5
Yep- when you unplug yourself from your local grid, let me know....well, if you're still able to... You first you tax payer hater. You still do it!!! And enjoy the benefits. I love tax payers! I don't like welfare mooches. Taxes are a certainty, as well as death. Don't have to like either one- but you have to do both. And I don't know how it works in Alaska-- but electric bill here is not a tax. So you're attempting to switch subject. Enjoy your oil lights- essentially that's what you're using. If you don't like that, maybe buy some whales to burn from the Eskimos....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:32:49 GMT -5
I agree. To withdraw from the ME would require us to become isolationists- there is no way to be engaged with world and avoid the longest existing crossroads of civilization. While I think we should relieve ourselves of world's police - at least free of charge- economically we still need to be involved- and we need to be able to hurt enemies, badly, from a distance if needed. You say withdraw as if we should be there in the first place. why the heck are we there? If we wish to be part of the world, we must be there.
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 19:33:50 GMT -5
You say withdraw as if we should be there in the first place. why the heck are we there? If we wish to be part of the world, we must be there. Dude if you want be part of the Middle East move there and leave me out of it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:35:42 GMT -5
If we wish to be part of the world, we must be there. Dude if you want be part of the Middle East move there and leave me out of it If you like to eat almonds and use tahini to make humus, and enjoy the low cost of oil power for your lamps, give that up, and we'll leave you out of it.
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 19:36:02 GMT -5
You first you tax payer hater. You still do it!!! And enjoy the benefits. I love tax payers! I don't like welfare mooches. Taxes are a certainty, as well as death. Don't have to like either one- but you have to do both. And I don't know how it works in Alaska-- but electric bill here is not a tax. So you're attempting to switch subject. Enjoy your oil lights- essentially that's what you're using. If you don't like that, maybe buy some whales to burn from the Eskimos.... Come on dude your imagination, how many ways can you think of that you are nannied by the government ain so many different ways. come on now you can do it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:37:51 GMT -5
I love tax payers! I don't like welfare mooches. Taxes are a certainty, as well as death. Don't have to like either one- but you have to do both. And I don't know how it works in Alaska-- but electric bill here is not a tax. So you're attempting to switch subject. Enjoy your oil lights- essentially that's what you're using. If you don't like that, maybe buy some whales to burn from the Eskimos.... Come on dude your imagination, how many ways can you think of that you are nannied by the government ain so many different ways. come on now you can do it. Just think of all the oil you're burning typing all this stuff....good for you!! Oil companies need profit!!
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 19:38:07 GMT -5
Dude if you want be part of the Middle East move there and leave me out of it If you like to eat almonds and use tahini to make humus, and enjoy the low cost of oil power for your lamps, give that up, and we'll leave you out of it. Yeah but while I'll make all these sacrifices you're still going to keep sucking down the oil and the cushy lifestyle that leads to. that's not fair
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