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Post by Ravenchamp on Sept 10, 2014 11:46:24 GMT -5
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Post by middleoftheroad on Sept 10, 2014 11:53:18 GMT -5
I will be looking for two elements this evening; (1) exactly what quantifiable objectives he plans to accomplish for whatever level of force he chooses to use, and (2) whether or not he goes to Congress and seeks authorization to use force.
The first element is critical because without measurable objectives, any further involvement in Iraq will go south real quick. The authorization to get Congressional buy in, without regard to whether he believes he has such authority now, is critical to showing a united front. Anything short of these two elements reduces our opportunities for success.
Less critical is who will be in command of this joint force.
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Post by vosa on Sept 10, 2014 13:21:15 GMT -5
MOTR, with his track record why would you believe anything he says tonight?
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Post by middleoftheroad on Sept 10, 2014 14:55:55 GMT -5
MOTR, with his track record why would you believe anything he says tonight? Blind, senseless hope, vosa, blind, senseless hope. |
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 10, 2014 15:35:55 GMT -5
Don't worry, guys... Hannity will tell you what he said... AND what he meant...
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Post by Ranger John on Sept 10, 2014 15:45:36 GMT -5
MOTR, with his track record why would you believe anything he says tonight? My main concern is what if ISIS decides to pull some sort of really nasty $h!t tomorrow... it is 9/11 after all, and they do like anniversaries. Will what he says tonight have any meaning at all tomorrow? |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Sept 10, 2014 15:49:02 GMT -5
Don't worry, guys... Hannity will tell you what he said... AND what he meant... Yep, we'll get the real facts for sure |
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 10, 2014 15:54:03 GMT -5
Don't worry, guys... Hannity will tell you what he said... AND what he meant... Yep, we'll get the real facts for sure The real Fox for sure...  |
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Post by middleoftheroad on Sept 10, 2014 16:11:21 GMT -5
Don't worry, guys... Hannity will tell you what he said... AND what he meant... I don't need ANYONE to tell me what he said ab. I listed what I hope to hear however. |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Sept 10, 2014 16:15:53 GMT -5
MOTR, with his track record why would you believe anything he says tonight? Finally he admits the truth  |
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 10, 2014 20:20:49 GMT -5
Don't worry, guys... Hannity will tell you what he said... AND what he meant... I don't need ANYONE to tell me what he said ab. I listed what I hope to hear however. I'm with you, Motr... |
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 10, 2014 20:22:09 GMT -5
MOTR, with his track record why would you believe anything he says tonight? Finally he admits the truth Did you catch this on Fox News, RC?... I was out and missed it... |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Sept 10, 2014 20:44:03 GMT -5
well he spoke good things tonight, destroy the enemy now, not later. That's a good thing.
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Post by redleg on Sept 10, 2014 20:59:51 GMT -5
well he spoke good things tonight, destroy the enemy now, not later. That's a good thing. Yup, he said "you guys will destroy the enemy, while we 'help you' with air power'. IOW, he's going to rely on "someone else" to do the work, while we simply play a supporting role. Some "destroy the enemy".  |
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 10, 2014 21:28:14 GMT -5
During the 2000's, we called 'em "insurgents"... now we call 'em ISIS... same folks... fighting the established government in Iraq... who DIDN't know this was coming all along?... no matter when we left... whoever didn't is a fool...
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Post by aponderer on Sept 11, 2014 1:05:59 GMT -5
Don't worry, guys... Hannity will tell you what he said... AND what he meant... Hannity won't be the only one telling us what the President said and what he meant. I didn't watch the speech, but NBC claims he said 'If You Threaten America, You Will Find No Safe Haven'... Seems to me, they already threatened America. Wasn't their threat reported in the newspapers not too long ago? I wonder which newspaper(s) the President reads...  |
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Post by breakingbad on Sept 11, 2014 3:05:35 GMT -5
During the 2000's, we called 'em "insurgents"... now we call 'em ISIS... same folks... fighting the established government in Iraq... who DIDN't know this was coming all along?... no matter when we left... whoever didn't is a fool... I can't believe you just called the President a fool. You're finally coming around, aboutwell. |
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Post by middleoftheroad on Sept 11, 2014 5:41:54 GMT -5
During the 2000's, we called 'em "insurgents"... now we call 'em ISIS... same folks... fighting the established government in Iraq... who DIDN't know this was coming all along?... no matter when we left... whoever didn't is a fool... I think you are over simplifying aboutwell. This group is significantly different in methodology, in target selection and in speed and organization of movement. They may be the same people, but their tactics are much more extreme. |
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Post by middleoftheroad on Sept 11, 2014 5:52:21 GMT -5
I don't need ANYONE to tell me what he said ab. I listed what I hope to hear however. I'm with you, Motr... This was a "mailed in" performance on his part. His decision not to go to Congress for specific authorization was a bad one, IMO. I am concerned about "degrade and destroy"; that's not a metric, it's a bumper sticker slogan. I know that more information will come out will come out over the next several days, but this was not a good start. I hope someone in the WH answered these questions as well; - What will we do when the first pilot is shot down and captured, and they execute him, on video? - What will we do when Iraqi ground power quits, or doesn't show up or doesn't press an advantage? - How will we handle the inevitable event when we bomb the wring target, or hit a dam or have civilian causalities? - Will we be seeking to interrogate ISIS detainees or leave them to the Iraqis? Where will we interrogate those we capture? - I expect that in the next day or so, ISIS will behead or crucify one of their remaining Americans. Are we prepared for that? President Obama is often accused of thinking that giving a speech solves the problem. I saw some of that last night. I hope I am wrong. |
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Post by rentedmule on Sept 11, 2014 6:10:39 GMT -5
Charm and charisma and speech making got him the position. That tactic has sustained him for six years. He has No other option available. It's what his life experience and world view is capable of, and nothing more. Why would anyone think otherwise?
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Post by Ravenchamp on Sept 11, 2014 6:20:47 GMT -5
Ok my problem here is we go INSIDE Syria to attack ISIS, how's that work for the Syrian govt?
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 11, 2014 6:49:52 GMT -5
Don't worry, guys... Hannity will tell you what he said... AND what he meant... Hannity won't be the only one telling us what the President said and what he meant. I didn't watch the speech, but NBC claims he said 'If You Threaten America, You Will Find No Safe Haven'... Seems to me, they already threatened America. Wasn't their threat reported in the newspapers not too long ago? I wonder which newspaper(s) the President reads... I think that's what he was talking about, Aponderer... maybe he reads the same one you do...  |
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Post by rentedmule on Sept 11, 2014 6:50:19 GMT -5
Ok my problem here is we go INSIDE Syria to attack ISIS, how's that work for the Syrian govt? Has that ever stopped the US before? Not much fun in having a large military if you can't use it once in a while. |
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 11, 2014 6:53:22 GMT -5
During the 2000's, we called 'em "insurgents"... now we call 'em ISIS... same folks... fighting the established government in Iraq... who DIDN't know this was coming all along?... no matter when we left... whoever didn't is a fool... I can't believe you just called the President a fool. You're finally coming around, aboutwell. I don't know about you, Breaking bad... but I've never heard him say he thought Iraq would remain a peaceful and safe country... maybe you have... most folks know that the Middle East has been a strife ridden area since Biblical times... and I don't think he believes any different... And I can say that because I've "been around" all along... |
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Post by aboutwell on Sept 11, 2014 6:57:50 GMT -5
During the 2000's, we called 'em "insurgents"... now we call 'em ISIS... same folks... fighting the established government in Iraq... who DIDN't know this was coming all along?... no matter when we left... whoever didn't is a fool... I think you are over simplifying aboutwell. This group is significantly different in methodology, in target selection and in speed and organization of movement. They may be the same people, but their tactics are much more extreme. They've had a lot of practice... especially since 2003... it's about damn time they became better organized... and now they have some equipment left by the Iraqis that we had given them... |
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